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 Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 8:56 pm Post subject: A few questions about a Roland TD-4SX |
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Hello everyone. I am new to this forum but found it a while back and I am about to take the dive (well my parents are) and finally get a kit of my own for my birthday this year. The kit they are getting me is a Roland TD-4SX. I am new to hooking all of the things up and items of that nature. Just recently my Rock Band 2 Stock kit died on me.  So now that I have this coming I was planning on buying a World Tour kit and using that with Midi for my kit. I have a few questions though.
1. How exactly do I go about setting up the kit? I have looked through the brain at my local Guitar Center and I don't see how I would map each individual Midi signal just how to change drum kits?
2. Is it possible to map both my 1st tom and my High Hat to the yellow pad? And do the same with the Crash and Ride and the other toms? I noticed that the midi signals would be the same but is it even possible with this brain to set both of the pads to the same color?
3. Is going the World Tour route the best idea with this kit?
Thank you for all the help I'm loving this site  I know a lot about actual drumming both from rock band and playing on real acoustic kits all the time but this is my first time messing with any sort of electronic kit I had my hopes on an acoustic kit but being that I don't have the room for it and my parents don't have the ability to deal with the noise and well I don't have a rock band kit that works anymore I figured this would help me both learn and play RB (which in turn would do the same.) I am also learning how to do blast beats and other techniques being I am a huge death metal fan so will this kit work fine for something like that? Just wondering. Thanks again
Also I'm on PS3 if that makes any difference. |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:24 pm Post subject: Re: A few questions about a Roland TD-4SX |
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| vkw619 wrote: | | 1. How exactly do I go about setting up the kit? I have looked through the brain at my local Guitar Center and I don't see how I would map each individual Midi signal just how to change drum kits? |
Well like I told you on SH, you're going to have to read the manual, it fully explains how to configure the MIDI settings. If you want to get a head start before you buy the kit, here's a copy of the manual online:
http://www.roland.com/products/en/_support/om.cfm?PRODUCT=TD%2D4&iRcId=1810687&dsp=1
Sure, I could give you a step-by-step "push this button, then this button, then this button" guide, but then you wouldn't learn anything about your new e-drum module. It's the whole "teach a man to fish" thing. 
| vkw619 wrote: | | 2. Is it possible to map both my 1st tom and my High Hat to the yellow pad? And do the same with the Crash and Ride and the other toms? I noticed that the midi signals would be the same but is it even possible with this brain to set both of the pads to the same color? |
Yes, it is possible to map multiple triggers to the same MIDI note.
| vkw619 wrote: | | 3. Is going the World Tour route the best idea with this kit? |
With the PS3, probably not. I'd recommend either a Sethbox or a MIDI Rocker LX. Both of those give you more options for configuration, including the ability to independently map your Open and Closed Hi-Hat notes to Blue and Yellow (respectively), something you cannot do with a GH:WT drum kit.
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vkw619
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| Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:37 pm Post subject: Re: A few questions about a Roland TD-4SX |
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| davidshek wrote: | | vkw619 wrote: | | 1. How exactly do I go about setting up the kit? I have looked through the brain at my local Guitar Center and I don't see how I would map each individual Midi signal just how to change drum kits? |
Well like I told you on SH, you're going to have to read the manual, it fully explains how to configure the MIDI settings. If you want to get a head start before you buy the kit, here's a copy of the manual online:
http://www.roland.com/products/en/_support/om.cfm?PRODUCT=TD%2D4&iRcId=1810687&dsp=1
Sure, I could give you a step-by-step "push this button, then this button, then this button" guide, but then you wouldn't learn anything about your new e-drum module. It's the whole "teach a man to fish" thing.
| vkw619 wrote: | | 2. Is it possible to map both my 1st tom and my High Hat to the yellow pad? And do the same with the Crash and Ride and the other toms? I noticed that the midi signals would be the same but is it even possible with this brain to set both of the pads to the same color? |
Yes, it is possible to map multiple triggers to the same MIDI note.
| vkw619 wrote: | | 3. Is going the World Tour route the best idea with this kit? |
With the PS3, probably not. I'd recommend either a Sethbox or a MIDI Rocker LX. Both of those give you more options for configuration, including the ability to independently map your Open and Closed Hi-Hat notes to Blue and Yellow (respectively), something you cannot do with a GH:WT drum kit. |
Lol I didn't even notice you here. I was just wanting to know a bit more about how to go about doing it I didn't know the manual actually said how to do individual midi. Thanks for the link and all the help you sure do know a lot :O
I found the guy who sold the Sethbox but I also found a World Tour kit for about 10 dollars and my parents having spent all the other money just bought it and told me afterwards :S It will allow me to use my KD-8 and all just fine right? I'm sorry for asking so many questions just excitement mixed with trying to get all of this good so my parents understand somewhat of what I am doing lol
Thanks again
Edit: I looked through manual and okay I may sound like an idiot but I don't see individual midi mapping? Am I crazy? I went to a page where it says it is and all I saw under midi implementation chart was just stuff I really didn't understand I am very tech savvy but I am only 15 atm and I feel like I'm being a pain I'm just lost by this? Do I actually have to use the create a drum kit and set each one to the correct number for the right sound? Does that connect to the midi? Sorry again this is just mind blowing to me I should've guessed it isn't simple that or I'm just making it to hard. I'm not trying to get a step by step thing I want to learn more I just want to make sure I'm looking in the right spot lol |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:17 pm Post subject: Re: A few questions about a Roland TD-4SX |
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| vkw619 wrote: | | Edit: I looked through manual and okay I may sound like an idiot but I don't see individual midi mapping? Am I crazy? I went to a page where it says it is and all I saw under midi implementation chart was just stuff I really didn't understand I am very tech savvy but I am only 15 atm and I feel like I'm being a pain I'm just lost by this? Do I actually have to use the create a drum kit and set each one to the correct number for the right sound? Does that connect to the midi? Sorry again this is just mind blowing to me I should've guessed it isn't simple that or I'm just making it to hard. I'm not trying to get a step by step thing I want to learn more I just want to make sure I'm looking in the right spot lol |
I'm one of the admin here, so yeah, I'm here a lot too.
So if you look at page 27, you can see there where you can create a Drum Kit. You can do that if you want, name it "Rock Band" or whatever, or you can use one of the existing kits already in the module. That's totally up to you. If you plan to wear some headphones plugged into the TD-4 while you play RB so you can hear the sounds coming from the TD-4, I'd suggest just using one of the built-in kits. If you don't plan on using the TD-4's sounds while playing the game, it won't matter either way if you use a Custom kit or a built-in one.
Anyway, you can skip ahead to page 41, which then shows you how to edit the MIDI Note for each individual trigger pad and cymbal. The MIDI Channel should be set to 10, leave it there, that's where it should be. All you need to do is set up the MIDI Notes for your pads and cymbals to correspond to whatever colors you want to send, according to this chart in Section 3.1.2:
http://docsrockbandmods.netforums.us/vp4565.html#4565
For example, if you want your Snare to be Red, you would set its MIDI Note to 38. If you want both your Tom 1 and Hi-hat to be Yellow, set their MIDI Notes to 46, and so on and so forth.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:31 pm Post subject: Re: A few questions about a Roland TD-4SX |
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| davidshek wrote: | | vkw619 wrote: | | Edit: I looked through manual and okay I may sound like an idiot but I don't see individual midi mapping? Am I crazy? I went to a page where it says it is and all I saw under midi implementation chart was just stuff I really didn't understand I am very tech savvy but I am only 15 atm and I feel like I'm being a pain I'm just lost by this? Do I actually have to use the create a drum kit and set each one to the correct number for the right sound? Does that connect to the midi? Sorry again this is just mind blowing to me I should've guessed it isn't simple that or I'm just making it to hard. I'm not trying to get a step by step thing I want to learn more I just want to make sure I'm looking in the right spot lol |
I'm one of the admin here, so yeah, I'm here a lot too.
So if you look at page 27, you can see there where you can create a Drum Kit. You can do that if you want, name it "Rock Band" or whatever, or you can use one of the existing kits already in the module. That's totally up to you. If you plan to wear some headphones plugged into the TD-4 while you play RB so you can hear the sounds coming from the TD-4, I'd suggest just using one of the built-in kits. If you don't plan on using the TD-4's sounds while playing the game, it won't matter either way if you use a Custom kit or a built-in one.
Anyway, you can skip ahead to page 41, which then shows you how to edit the MIDI Note for each individual trigger pad and cymbal. The MIDI Channel should be set to 10, leave it there, that's where it should be. All you need to do is set up the MIDI Notes for your pads and cymbals to correspond to whatever colors you want to send, according to this chart in Section 3.1.2:
http://docsrockbandmods.netforums.us/vp4565.html#4565
For example, if you want your Snare to be Red, you would set its MIDI Note to 38. If you want both your Tom 1 and Hi-hat to be Yellow, set their MIDI Notes to 46, and so on and so forth. |
I plan to listen with headphones or use an amp depending on who is in the house. Kinda off topic but if I wear headphones wouldn't it be like impossible to actually here the game or could I just plug the headphone jack from the tv into the input on the TD-4? Okay OT : Would changing the Midi notes also change the sound coming out of the actual kit though? Or would whatever I have it set to be what I here and the midi has no effect on actual sound? |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:38 pm Post subject: Re: A few questions about a Roland TD-4SX |
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| vkw619 wrote: | | I plan to listen with headphones or use an amp depending on who is in the house. Kinda off topic but if I wear headphones wouldn't it be like impossible to actually here the game or could I just plug the headphone jack from the tv into the input on the TD-4? |
Yep, you can plug the audio out from the TV into the AUX In on the TD-4.
| vkw619 wrote: | | Would changing the Midi notes also change the sound coming out of the actual kit though? Or would whatever I have it set to be what I here and the midi has no effect on actual sound? |
Nope, the MIDI Note and sound are two completely separate things in the TD-4. On page 28, you'll see instructions on how to change the Instrument Parameters. That setting is the sound that the drum pad or cymbal actually makes. The MIDI Note set on that pad or cymbal has no impact on this.
On some brains, like the Alesis DM5 and Yamaha DTXplorer, you cannot independently set the MIDI Note and sound differently, but you can on the TD-4.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:40 pm Post subject: Re: A few questions about a Roland TD-4SX |
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| davidshek wrote: | | vkw619 wrote: | | I plan to listen with headphones or use an amp depending on who is in the house. Kinda off topic but if I wear headphones wouldn't it be like impossible to actually here the game or could I just plug the headphone jack from the tv into the input on the TD-4? |
Yep, you can plug the audio out from the TV into the AUX In on the TD-4.
| vkw619 wrote: | | Would changing the Midi notes also change the sound coming out of the actual kit though? Or would whatever I have it set to be what I here and the midi has no effect on actual sound? |
Nope, the MIDI Note and sound are two completely separate things in the TD-4. On page 28, you'll see instructions on how to change the Instrument Parameters. That setting is the sound that the drum pad or cymbal actually makes. The MIDI Note set on that pad or cymbal has no impact on this.
On some brains, like the Alesis DM5 and Yamaha DTXplorer, you cannot independently set the MIDI Note and sound differently, but you can on the TD-4. |
Oh okay great. Is that the only option as far as hearing sound from RB and the TD at the same time through headphones? |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:44 pm Post subject: Re: A few questions about a Roland TD-4SX |
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| vkw619 wrote: | | Oh okay great. Is that the only option as far as hearing sound from RB and the TD at the same time through headphones? |
Not the only option, but probably the least expensive. Other options would include a external audio mixer and other components.
But the TD-4 is already designed to do exactly that. The AUX In port is there for you to plug in an outside audio source, like an MP3 player, and drum along with it.
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| Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:03 am Post subject: Re: A few questions about a Roland TD-4SX |
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| davidshek wrote: | | vkw619 wrote: | | Oh okay great. Is that the only option as far as hearing sound from RB and the TD at the same time through headphones? |
Not the only option, but probably the least expensive. Other options would include a external audio mixer and other components.
But the TD-4 is already designed to do exactly that. The AUX In port is there for you to plug in an outside audio source, like an MP3 player, and drum along with it. |
Sweet. I noticed it had an AUX in feature I just wasn't sure of the limitations lol If the TV I have already has a headphone jack I just have to get a male to male and plug it into the TD-4? I already have a converter from I believe 1/8th to standard headphones I can't remember exactly I just know I use it on my marshal amp and I was thinking it should be the same for the TD-4? Sorry to ask stupid sounded questions I just want to make sure of everything to be honest I was told it came with a kick and when I was told we had to buy one didn't sit well with the rents so I'm just trying to cover all my bases lol also I think I am going to get DW7002 instead of the 5002 just because they are on sale and only 30 bucks more than the 5002 I remember using the DW7 and they were great even for a noob like me when it comes to double bass lol |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:42 am Post subject: Re: A few questions about a Roland TD-4SX |
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| vkw619 wrote: | | Sweet. I noticed it had an AUX in feature I just wasn't sure of the limitations lol If the TV I have already has a headphone jack I just have to get a male to male and plug it into the TD-4? I already have a converter from I believe 1/8th to standard headphones I can't remember exactly I just know I use it on my marshal amp and I was thinking it should be the same for the TD-4? |
The Mix In port (sorry, had the name wrong) is a 1/8" stereo jack on the side of the TD-4, so use whatever adapter you need to plug into that. (This is on page 16 of the TD-4 manual, btw  )
And if it makes your parents feel any better, virtually no drum kit comes with a kick pedal. Some do, mostly beginner bundles, but most do not.
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| Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 2:03 am Post subject: Re: A few questions about a Roland TD-4SX |
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| davidshek wrote: | | vkw619 wrote: | | Sweet. I noticed it had an AUX in feature I just wasn't sure of the limitations lol If the TV I have already has a headphone jack I just have to get a male to male and plug it into the TD-4? I already have a converter from I believe 1/8th to standard headphones I can't remember exactly I just know I use it on my marshal amp and I was thinking it should be the same for the TD-4? |
The Mix In port (sorry, had the name wrong) is a 1/8" stereo jack on the side of the TD-4, so use whatever adapter you need to plug into that. (This is on page 16 of the TD-4 manual, btw )
And if it makes your parents feel any better, virtually no drum kit comes with a kick pedal. Some do, mostly beginner bundles, but most do not. |
Yeah just we were offered a Bundle with it at a different store but the lady just said it came with it (Best Buy you know?) So its all good I explained everything later and its fine I just don't want any other mess ups like that lol also it is a 1/8th adapter so I should be all good with that now I just have to find the male to male plug for a standard headphone jack lol
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| I read on here if you set your hi-hat to 50 it is yellow when it's closed, and blue when it's open. I kind of tested this out while I'm waiting for my GHWT box and it seems to work. Just a thought if you want open closed capabilities. |
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| Sangerman wrote: | | I read on here if you set your hi-hat to 50 it is yellow when it's closed, and blue when it's open. I kind of tested this out while I'm waiting for my GHWT box and it seems to work. Just a thought if you want open closed capabilities. |
Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way. 50 is not the MIDI note for anything in the GH kit.
# YELLOW - MIDI Note 46
# BLUE - MIDI Note 48
When you set the Hi-Hat setting on the TD-4, what you're actually setting the MIDI note for is the HH-Open note. The TD-4 then automatically sets the MIDI Notes for Closed and Pedal. Closed will be the number you set minus 4, and Pedal will be the number you set minus 2. So if you try to set Open to 48 (Blue), Closed will be 44 (nothing), and Pedal will be 46 (Yellow).
To get Closed to be yellow, you do have to set the HH note to be 50, yes. You then have Open set at 50 (nothing), Closed is 46 (Yellow), and pedal is 48 (Blue).
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| davidshek wrote: | | Sangerman wrote: | | I read on here if you set your hi-hat to 50 it is yellow when it's closed, and blue when it's open. I kind of tested this out while I'm waiting for my GHWT box and it seems to work. Just a thought if you want open closed capabilities. |
Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way. 50 is not the MIDI note for anything in the GH kit.
# YELLOW - MIDI Note 46
# BLUE - MIDI Note 48
When you set the Hi-Hat setting on the TD-4, what you're actually setting the MIDI note for is the HH-Open note. The TD-4 then automatically sets the MIDI Notes for Closed and Pedal. Closed will be the number you set minus 4, and Pedal will be the number you set minus 2. So if you try to set Open to 48 (Blue), Closed will be 44 (nothing), and Pedal will be 46 (Yellow).
To get Closed to be yellow, you do have to set the HH note to be 50, yes. You then have Open set at 50 (nothing), Closed is 46 (Yellow), and pedal is 48 (Blue). |
So then is it possible to just keep yellow open or closed as yellow and not worry about switching it over to blue and keeping the ride blue or a tom blue? (Or both?) |
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| vkw619 wrote: | | So then is it possible to just keep yellow open or closed as yellow and not worry about switching it over to blue and keeping the ride blue or a tom blue? (Or both?) |
Yep, that's pretty much all you can do. By setting the HH to 50, you've got Closed as Yellow, which it should be. You just won't be able to lift the pedal to hit Blue notes with the HH cymbal.
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