Mapping HH OPEN to Blue on TD_3

Bonet · Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 3:08 am Post subject: Mapping HH OPEN to Blue on TD_3

I think this also goes for TD-6. Any Roland brain that bundles the HH midi notes.

For some reson this problem is consuming my CPU time. Can't get it out of my head. Spandrel brought it up in this thread. And I like The Smiths too.
http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.phpt=103377&highlight=ghwt+drums+midi&page=7

OK. So the new idea is to highjack an open line to trigger the correct midi note.
But we actually need 2 lines, because you can't set closed HH to Yellow without the pedal being blue, or Open HH to Blue without the pedal being yellow. And I can't turn off the pedal midi note or sensetivity. So I used Crash 2 since I don't have one.

See the attached JPG.

I haven't tested this yet, but I think it will work. There is the possibility that when the switch triggers it will send a note, but I haven't tested that yet.

Click on the image twice to get a good look.

Doc_SoCal · Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 9:51 am Post subject:

Give it a go man.

This is really the only limitation of the TD-3 so if you can figure that one out it would be a very very good thing.
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SirPuttsAlot · E-Drum Specialist Joined: 07 Dec 2008 Posts: 660

If you fix this, you'll be my hero and you'll save me lot's-o' money because I'm still on the fence for returning my TD-3 to get something that has the ability to Map HHO/HHC/Pedal to anything I want.

Doc_SoCal · Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 2:19 pm Post subject:

SirPuttsAlot · E-Drum Specialist Joined: 07 Dec 2008 Posts: 660

Definitely, because my wife just pointed something out. As cool as the DTXpress IV Special looks, how the heck am I going to see the TV with a 13" and 15" cymbal in my way. Another logistic issue with these @#$% kits...

I tell you, the fact that I have Gadget OCD is killing me, cool toys to me is like crack to a crackhead. Now you know why I'm also a Golfer. We have the highest level of G.A.S. beyond any other hobby/passtime ever.

Doc_SoCal · Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 2:30 pm Post subject:

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Flyer · Band Member Joined: 01 Dec 2008 Posts: 19

Interesting solution.

But may I ask why are people trying to do this in the first place? Are there blue notes that are open HH? I never really paid that close attention.

Bonet · Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 4:56 pm Post subject:

Yep. Plenty of them.
If you are playing alot of yellow and then every so often you have a solitary blue, those are usually HH open.

I never really cared / paid that close attention either untill I started pipping the rockband music through the TD-3 (hearing the TD-3 at the same time). Then when you hit that ride instead of HH open it really sounds awkward. So I'm doing it mostly to develop my left foot.

Tried a switch last night to see if it triggers a hit. You have to hit it pretty good for it to register. I think that between the placement of the switch (closer to the heel, so it doesnt get a good wack) and the sensetivity settings this might be workable.

For those waiting on me. I'm a divorced guy with 2 kids, so it always takes me a while to get things done. So paitence please, or you can help. They have everything you need at radio shack, report back.

TuPhat · Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 5:04 pm Post subject:

Flyer · Band Member Joined: 01 Dec 2008 Posts: 19

Okay,

So seeing the need and seeing your design I have this suggestion.

To me the easiest way to do this on my TD-6V would be to use just the right side of your schematic.

I would not connect into my brain any of the HH plugs.

I would create the right side switching so that my crash2 cymbal could be forced either a bow or rim via the foot switch. Then on my brain I would program the bow to be the GHWT HHO and RIM GHWT HHC, midi notes. I would while in there change the brain instruments for those two to be the corresponding HHO and HHC.

This would then play the correct instrument sound and the correct midi note.

Not sure if the TD-3 can be programmed like that also.

Bonet · Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 11:05 pm Post subject:

I think what you are suggesting would work, but you will leave behind the partial sounds of the high hat.

You have open, patial open, closed and the foot pedal sounds. With your method you will only get HHO and HHC. It's a great part of the drum brain why sacrifice?

Eventually you will have to learn how to control these to play correctly, so my approach was to keep the sounds and playing procedure as close to real as possible. Which I think the whole method accomplishes. All I did is send the midi message, which can be limited to HHO and HHC (there are no partials), from the HH via the new switch to the crash2 channel.

The switch will have to be a mometary SPDT (single pole dual throw).
The radio shack switch I had here before turned out to be useless.

Flyer · Band Member Joined: 01 Dec 2008 Posts: 19

That makes since....you just program out the notes from the HH on the brain so there is no interference.

This is all theory for me anyway until xmas. Since that is when I can give my son the drums. Which is killing me since I want to use them also Wink

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