| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
mikehrz
Living Legend
Joined: 10 Jan 2009
Posts: 554
|
 Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 11:27 pm Post subject: Possible solution for drum brains w/ fixed midi |
 |
|
I was reading about the issues that some people are having with older/cheaper drum brains not being able to alter the midi notes assigned to each input when trying to use them with the GH:WT kit. I don't have a drum brain or the GH:WT kit myself, but a possible solution occurred to me. No idea if it would actually work, but I don't see why it wouldn't. It is a bit complicated, though, and requires the use of a computer.
Things you'll need:
1. A computer.
2. Edrum Monitor.
3. MIDIyoke.
4. A means of getting MIDI into and out of your computer; something like this seems like it should work.
5. You may also need midi and/or usb extension cables.
Edrum Monitor is the key to this, as it can receive the midi signal from the drum brain and trigger a different midi note for the output. It is also capable of altering the velocity of the output note and a host of other things. I've only used the program a little bit so I'm not fully familiar with its capabilities.
In theory, you could also use MIDIyoke to "split" the signal and trigger samples on your computer if you're not happy with your brain's sounds.
This solution would require you to be tethered to your computer, which would probably be a bit cumbersome. On the other hand, I'm always looking for the cheapest way to do things, and this seems like a considerably cheaper solution than buying a new, fancier drum brain. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Doc_SoCal
N.O.M.F.I.C.
Joined: 30 Nov 2008
Posts: 3198
Location: One Step Ahead Of You....
|
| Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 10:37 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
mikehrz
Living Legend
Joined: 10 Jan 2009
Posts: 554
|
| Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 3:39 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| It just occurred to me that it may be possible to use the GH:WT kit along with the Ion drums using Edrum Monitor, without any real drum brain. Edrum Monitor can interpret joystick button presses and convert those to midi also, so if the Ion is recognized by the computer as a joystick (like the stock RB kit) and the cymbals are recognized as separate buttons, then you would have the 5 notes needed for the GH:WT kit. Again, since I don't have any of that hardware, I don't know for sure, but it might be possible. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
animal
Band Member
Joined: 03 Feb 2009
Posts: 7
|
| Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 1:09 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Heh, but why do that, when you can get one of sethmeisterg's adapters for the equivalent price of a GH:WT kit? I been using it for a few months now and am loving it! |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
mikehrz
Living Legend
Joined: 10 Jan 2009
Posts: 554
|
| Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 2:35 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I just got one myself. Really looking forward to using it once my Alesis I/O arrives.
However, as great as it is, it's PS2/PS3 only. Xbox people are stuck with the MSA-P or the GHWT kit. For the GHWT people who own an entry-level brain already, doing things this way is considerably cheaper than buying a new brain. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
theflash0000
Gear Modder
Joined: 05 Dec 2008
Posts: 38
|
| Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 3:20 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I'm about to go this route myself, at least temporarily. I've wanted to add HHO/HHC functionality for a long time now.
I've used a great program for Mac OSX for other projects called MIDIPipe (http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/10541) that works as a nice little Band-Aid. I figure I can get used to the ramped-up difficulty then decide whether I want a more expensive/more functional brain to achieve HHO/HHC.
_________________
My blog, with my Guide to the MSA-P Mod |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
bords
Band Member
Joined: 18 Feb 2009
Posts: 2
|
| Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 11:02 am Post subject: Re: Possible solution for drum brains w/ fixed midi |
|
|
| mikehrz wrote: |
Things you'll need:
1. A computer.
2. Edrum Monitor.
3. MIDIyoke.
4. A means of getting MIDI into and out of your computer; something like this seems like it should work.
5. You may also need midi and/or usb extension cables.
|
Would anyone care to elaborate or provide some sort of tutorial on this process? I have all of the stuff but have no idea how to use the edrum monitor...plus it doesn't exactly have a help file. Thanks! |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
megaoptimus
Core Band Member
Joined: 18 Dec 2008
Posts: 63
|
| Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 11:19 am Post subject: |
|
|
| animal wrote: | | Heh, but why do that, when you can get one of sethmeisterg's adapters for the equivalent price of a GH:WT kit? I been using it for a few months now and am loving it! |
In addition to the above: from what I understand seth's box doesn't work with xb360 due to the way microsoft handles the controller communication to the console. IF you already have a 360 and a GHWT kit, prolly a good idea to go with that option. if seth were able to make a 360 adapter, I'd perfer that over the GHWT module. If you are on PS3 and don't yet have GHWT, get seth's adapter as people really seem to love it. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
mikehrz
Living Legend
Joined: 10 Jan 2009
Posts: 554
|
| Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 2:15 pm Post subject: Re: Possible solution for drum brains w/ fixed midi |
|
|
| bords wrote: | | Would anyone care to elaborate or provide some sort of tutorial on this process? I have all of the stuff but have no idea how to use the edrum monitor...plus it doesn't exactly have a help file. Thanks! |
I don't have a usb-midi adapter or a GHWT kit, so I'm not totally sure how you would go about routing the midi signal from midiyoke to the GHWT kit. I did say it was a "possible solution," after all! But I can throw together a short primer on edrum monitor if you would like, possibly post it later today. Edrum monitor has more complex functions that it can perform, but for using a simple redirect like this it's pretty easy.
_________________
Alesis Trigger I/O + The SethBox |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
mikehrz
Living Legend
Joined: 10 Jan 2009
Posts: 554
|
| Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 2:18 pm Post subject: |
|
|
If anyone else wants to help out, you could describe what happens when you plug the GHWT kit into the computer. Does it show up as a midi device or what?
_________________
Alesis Trigger I/O + The SethBox |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
bords
Band Member
Joined: 18 Feb 2009
Posts: 2
|
| Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 4:17 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| mikehrz wrote: | | If anyone else wants to help out, you could describe what happens when you plug the GHWT kit into the computer. Does it show up as a midi device or what? |
In the device manager, both my GHWT drums and my real drums showed up under "Sound, Video, and Game Controllers" as MIDI devices (I think). But from there, I'm not too sure what to do |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Bonet
Hardcore Band Member
Joined: 05 Dec 2008
Posts: 236
Location: Sunrise, FL
|
| Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 4:42 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| I tried this with the Red Octane USB-MIDI cable and couldn't get it to work easily with a simple midi program I have, so I gave up. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
mikehrz
Living Legend
Joined: 10 Jan 2009
Posts: 554
|
| Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 5:14 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| bords wrote: | | mikehrz wrote: | | If anyone else wants to help out, you could describe what happens when you plug the GHWT kit into the computer. Does it show up as a midi device or what? |
In the device manager, both my GHWT drums and my real drums showed up under "Sound, Video, and Game Controllers" as MIDI devices (I think). But from there, I'm not too sure what to do |
Okay, before getting into more detail with edrum monitor, let's see if it can work at all. With the drums plugged in, open edrum monitor and go to options>midi devices. See if the drums show up under midi output. If they do, then this might work. If not, well, it won't.
_________________
Alesis Trigger I/O + The SethBox |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
mikehrz
Living Legend
Joined: 10 Jan 2009
Posts: 554
|
| Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:27 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
samo9789
Band Member
Joined: 24 Jan 2010
Posts: 2
Location: France
|
| Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 3:39 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
